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作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-6-27 Mon 00:00     標題: native (raw) dsd playback

after ripping some SACDs, i can now play some native dsd files using a computer.


the new interface card (still under development),




the player software which read and stream raw dsd file,




note the sample format which states, 2822400 MHz sample rate / 1 bit data / 2 channel

but this thing would not be available until this fall, still working hard with some overseas programmer for application development.

stay tuned.
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-6-27 Mon 00:04

the sacd ripped and played shown in the above player screenshot,


作者: cvincent    時間: 2011-6-27 Mon 00:15

Mdlover hing,
How big to the DSD file size?
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-6-27 Mon 00:21

a rough estimation, about 40MB per minute
作者: cvincent    時間: 2011-6-27 Mon 00:32

so 200mb-300mb for a song !!!!!!!!!!!
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-6-27 Mon 00:59

it's just about the same for 192k wav file anyway ............

come on, disk space is so cheap nowadays.
作者: marvintai    時間: 2011-6-27 Mon 10:02

終於有這種玩意出現,極期代中。
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-8-11 Thu 16:48

ripping 2011 AV show SACD into raw DSD files........


作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-8-11 Thu 22:45

Any additional hardware needed ? Why there is no mac version of the streaming program....
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-8-12 Fri 00:06

引用:
原帖由 amhlee 於 2011-8-11 Thu 22:45 發表
Why there is no mac version of the streaming program....
i'm now testing the "beta" version of DSD player application for Mac OS X ...... 80% done.

we are almost there.
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-8-12 Fri 00:19

another good news is, the original USB interface is now capable of streaming DSD and PCM (with firmware update and new DSD ASIO driver), no new hardware required.

moreover, with the help of a new "plug-in", you can play native DSD using Foobar2000 as well.


playing DSD files in Foobar with DSD capable hardware, streaming native DSD :






if no DSD hardware present, DSD playback will be converted to PCM :


作者: Kevinyip    時間: 2011-8-12 Fri 11:43

What kind of CD drive is needed ?
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-8-12 Fri 11:53

PS 3 First generation with Firmware XXX...
作者: Kevinyip    時間: 2011-8-12 Fri 12:06

引用:
原帖由 amhlee 於 2011-8-12 Fri 11:53 發表
PS 3 First generation with Firmware XXX...
Oh.... is there any alternative ?
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-8-12 Fri 12:32

Bring your harddisk.......
作者: Kevinyip    時間: 2011-8-12 Fri 13:32

引用:
原帖由 amhlee 於 2011-8-12 Fri 12:32 發表
Bring your harddisk.......
Yes, This is the best way !
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-9-12 Mon 23:59

dear mac user,

native DSD playback will be ready for you after 24/Sept/2011, let's start the countdown .........
作者: marvintai    時間: 2011-9-13 Tue 01:39

That's great news.
作者: Kevinyip    時間: 2011-9-13 Tue 10:00

引用:
原帖由 mdlover 於 2011-9-12 Mon 23:59 發表
dear mac user,

native DSD playback will be ready for you after 24/Sept/2011, let's start the countdown .........
Cool...seldom hardware can carry such a function !
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-9-18 Sun 11:20

Ha...Ha..... Ripping commence....

[ 本帖最後由 amhlee 於 2011-9-18 Sun 11:22 編輯 ]
作者: Kevinyip    時間: 2011-9-18 Sun 11:40

Cooooool.....
作者: rooster    時間: 2011-9-18 Sun 20:32


作者: DeepSea^^    時間: 2011-9-20 Tue 11:00

期待你的好消息
作者: arthurli    時間: 2011-10-21 Fri 16:37

C hings
any news?
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-10-21 Fri 21:49

Ready to demo in 1-2 weeks....
作者: DeepSea^^    時間: 2011-10-22 Sat 15:50

Can BBQ day shows the demo???
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-10-22 Sat 22:12

Yes, i think so.....
作者: steveha    時間: 2011-10-26 Wed 21:30

Interested on the new 32bit/384kHz USB with native DSD playback

When will it be on sale
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-10-26 Wed 23:10

11/5 試完後會通知大家。
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-10-28 Fri 21:41

playing DSD under Mac OSX .........


作者: steveha    時間: 2011-10-29 Sat 12:54



Do you try playback of DXD 352.8 ?
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-10-31 Mon 12:31

引用:
原帖由 steveha 於 2011-10-29 Sat 12:54 發表


Do you try playback of DXD 352.8 ?
yes
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-7 Mon 13:48

聽完 DSD 之後,昨天開番機,幾然唔想再聽...........................
作者: casshan    時間: 2011-11-7 Mon 14:28

引用:
原帖由 amhlee 於 2011-11-7 Mon 13:48 發表
聽完 DSD 之後,昨天開番機,幾然唔想再聽...........................
點算好?
作者: kmax2007    時間: 2011-11-7 Mon 18:44

太毒了
最好唔好試!
不可一!不可再!
作者: steveha    時間: 2011-11-7 Mon 20:31

amhlee 師兄, 你用什麼DAC聽DSD
作者: alfcat    時間: 2011-11-7 Mon 20:40

引用:
原帖由 amhlee 於 2011-11-7 Mon 13:48 發表
聽完 DSD 之後,昨天開番機,幾然唔想再聽...........................
****

版大終於領略我的心情了。。
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-7 Mon 23:00     標題: 回復 36# steveha 的帖子

簡簡單單的一部 diy ak4398 dac.....
作者: ericj    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 08:45

引用:
原帖由 amhlee 於 2011-11-7 Mon 23:00 發表
簡簡單單的一部 diy ak4398 dac.....
嘩簡單一部AK4398都咁正如果mdlover再搞埋wm8742or1955pro咪重勵害
作者: steveha    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 14:10

mdlover/amhlee兄

心急, 幾時開始有得買
小弟現用SSD fitted KORG MR-1(with DSD signals extract) 去 Buffalo III聽DSD. 不過得64GB(about 30 albums).  用USB先至可以Access到 my full SACD collection
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 14:16

如無記錯 Buffalo III 可直入 DSD signal, 那你只要 USB/SPDIF convertor 再加個 program 就可以馬上有得聽!
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 14:21

remember ESS9018 accepts DSD input but doing DSD to PCM inside ...........
作者: steveha    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 16:13

I have no idea what ESS9018 is performing internally.  But at least the connections for DSD and PCM are totally different.
For DSD, Bit clock -> DCK,  Data1 -> D1, D3, D5 and D7,  Data2 ->D2, D4, D6 and D8.  In this way, all 8 DACs within ESS9018
are fully utilized and the gains are good enough for most preamps.

But for Buffalo II, the DSD and PCM are sharing the same input pins.  I really wonder that Buffalo II is not using all 8 Dacs in decoding DSD.

[ 本帖最後由 steveha 於 2011-11-8 Tue 16:21 編輯 ]
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 18:28

Buffalo II has only 1 DAC.....
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 20:31

each ESS9018 has 8 dac inside, it is mainly for multi-channel application.

BII has 4 dac elements paralleled for each channel while BIII can use these 8 dac elements individually for a max of 8-channel application.

so basically they are just the same.
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 20:50

just did a vinyl rip (DSD recording) using my Korg recorder.

the result is ok but not great owing to the crappy A/D converter inside the Korg MR-1.



作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 20:56

you can't test a dsd dac without this disc. ripped.   


作者: steveha    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 22:36

話時話, 都無人答我幾時有得玩

I have no problem to buy one even for trial run

BTW, which dac is currently used by mdlover in testing your usb interface ?

[ 本帖最後由 steveha 於 2011-11-8 Tue 22:38 編輯 ]
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 22:43

the dac used in the prototype is CS4398 from Crystal (Cirrus Logic).

the USB interface with DSD support (DSD64, DSD128) and PCM (up to 384k/32 bit) is currently cost US$399.
作者: steveha    時間: 2011-11-8 Tue 22:53

Thanks mdlover.  

What software are bundled with your USB interface (e.g. ASIO driver,  DSD player) ?  I am using windows XP or Win 7.

Finally,  how can I pay you and where I can correct it ASAP.

[ 本帖最後由 steveha 於 2011-11-8 Tue 22:54 編輯 ]
作者: steveha    時間: 2011-11-10 Thu 14:14

mdlover
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-11 Fri 11:40

多謝anthony 兄介紹這site,大開眼界。


小的部weiss minerva係唔support DSD I2s的。
比較心急,想請問有乜方法(如買個部Dac)可玩到Native DSD Playback?

小的現在用Mac OS + audirvana plus ,但現在播DSDDIFF file時會窒,好無引。

[ 本帖最後由 Heman123 於 2011-11-11 Fri 11:41 編輯 ]
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-11 Fri 14:18

你現在應該只是出 PCM ?

Albert 兄會有配套的 DAC ,請等一下。
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-11 Fri 18:01

anthony 兄

你現在應該只是出 PCM ?
是,D聲唔得!!!

謝謝,非常之期待這部由香港人設計的Dac,請問知否幾時可面世?
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-11 Fri 21:21

我屋企有部 Prototype, 都聽得下架........應該聖誕前有的野可以攪下!
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-12 Sat 14:22

如果聖誕前有的話……ha ha ha ha,這肯定係我自己聖誕節最好的禮物。
作者: cvincent    時間: 2011-11-12 Sat 23:18

Hi Heman hing,
welcome to photo100fun diy forum!
你是否還是用對Dynaudio 至尊呀!
好羡慕你的聆聽空間!
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-13 Sun 00:40

Cvincent hing

衹係compund 5,唔係至尊。
客氣客氣!

有時間大家交流吓,等小的學習學習。

[ 本帖最後由 Heman123 於 2011-11-13 Sun 00:45 編輯 ]
作者: cvincent    時間: 2011-11-13 Sun 01:05

Heman hing,
我都是剛剛才開始學玩CAS,
但你巳玩了很長時間.
是我向你學習才對呀!
剛才知道你也開始玩投影.....勁!
http://blog.yahoo.com/_B42BSQ7YFCHQGG6IJX6TU33DNE/articles/114559

[ 本帖最後由 cvincent 於 2011-11-13 Sun 01:11 編輯 ]
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-14 Mon 13:22

cvincent hing
玩投影都好多年了,要求唔高,靚DD已收貨。

玩CAS就好唔同,一直都追求最好的效果,最靚聲的player。經Anthony 兄介紹DSDiff file playback的方法,現在等Albert 兄配套的 DAC面世,好心急!
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-14 Mon 13:26

Anthony hing,

請問可否到你府上家訪,好等小的親身體現Native DSD player 的利害??
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-14 Mon 14:10

可以啊,今星期出差,不過比起你歲,真是小巫見大巫。
我想讓 Albert 做埋部 8742 prototype, 一齊來試。反而我認為可以出征西貢,帶埋的 DIY  X2 ,比較,比較.....
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-14 Mon 15:13

出征西貢--------我就經已報咗名la

到時請通知我
作者: cvincent    時間: 2011-11-14 Mon 20:55

引用:
原帖由 Heman123 於 2011-11-14 Mon 13:22 發表
cvincent hing
玩投影都好多年了,要求唔高,靚DD已收貨。

玩CAS就好唔同,一直都追求最好的效果,最靚聲的player。經Anthony 兄介紹DSDiff file playback的方法,現在等Albert 兄配套的 DAC面世,好心急!
其實我地個個都系等緊.......he he!!!!!!
作者: steveha    時間: 2011-11-17 Thu 13:37

Received the exD USB interface yesterday.  It took me only one hour to set it up. A LVDS-HDMI I2S interface was integrated into the exD to send the PCM signals to my Wyred DAC 2.
DSD signals was directly connected to my Buffalo III.  I was most impressed with the native ASIO 2.2 driver and the DSD plugin for Footbar 2000. Also, DXD (24/352.8) is just a piece of cake for exD.

Welldone mdlover

[ 本帖最後由 steveha 於 2011-11-17 Thu 13:45 編輯 ]
作者: steveha    時間: 2011-11-17 Thu 14:53

Just converted some DSD64 to DSD128 by audiogate.  It was confirmed that there is no problem for exD and Buffalo III. The internal clock of exD to process those DSD128 is actually 352.8

[ 本帖最後由 steveha 於 2011-11-17 Thu 14:55 編輯 ]
作者: casshan    時間: 2011-11-17 Thu 15:44

師兄好利害,要多d分享下
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-17 Thu 16:47

有無 PS3,. rip 的 原生 DSDIFF 來唱,audiogate 個 converter 都是有缺陷。
作者: steveha    時間: 2011-11-17 Thu 21:54

多謝版大提點, 我都有用PS3來rip SACD, 不過數量唔多. Rip出來全部都喺DSDIFF(2.8MHZ). 無一首喺DSDIFF(5.6MHZ), 所以用audiogate來covert幾首來玩吓. 心理上覺得5.6MHZ好聲過原本嘅2.8MHZ.
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 00:05

new dsd dac board is singing now.




作者: ericj    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 00:40

Ching thanks for your updated . I just want to know when you will be launh your new DAC? That most of people looking forward this function. I had created this topic at usbdac however you haven't reply. Since 田雨already promote his new dac1955 MKII ! Would you mind let us know the speciafication of your new toy that can let us to make a decison which one we would like choice.

[ 本帖最後由 ericj 於 2011-11-29 Tue 00:53 編輯 ]
作者: DeepSea^^    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 10:08

我想兩件都加入外置鐘 clock in 功能
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 11:34

正!目標在望
作者: Gary33    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 11:40

正!
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 11:53

mdlover 大大:
請問可否用Firewire cable?或是用USB cable?
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 14:20

引用:
原帖由 Heman123 於 2011-11-29 Tue 11:53 發表
mdlover 大大:
請問可否用Firewire cable?或是用USB cable?
USb....
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 14:40

咁就要開始找條好的USB線。
作者: mdlover    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 20:42

引用:
原帖由 ericj 於 2011-11-29 Tue 00:40 發表
Ching thanks for your updated . I just want to know when you will be launh your new DAC? That most of people looking forward this function. I had created this topic at usbdac however you haven't reply ...
sorry for the missing reply, Eric.

the new dac module will be ready soon, as i'm now finalizing the design and cost.
作者: ericj    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 21:15

Sorry Mdlover I am not blamed on you missed my enquiry. Cause I don't want buy a lot of equipment back to my home since last month that I heard your DAC that make me very suprised . You just used a very simple  circuit convert the digital signal to a unforgortable music. Thats what I looking for. Wish all the best and wait for the new DAC to launch out.
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 21:31

引用:
原帖由 Heman123 於 2011-11-29 Tue 14:40 發表
咁就要開始找條好的USB線。
唔須要找,自已做就可以,千多元,應該無甚麼對手....
作者: alfcat    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 21:59

“精神” USB線?
作者: Kevinyip    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 23:05

引用:
原帖由 mdlover 於 2011-11-29 Tue 20:42 發表


sorry for the missing reply, Eric.

the new dac module will be ready soon, as i'm now finalizing the design and cost.
Will it be firmware updated on the USB/SPDIF board with a seperate DSD DAC decode board ?
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-29 Tue 23:11

1. Yes.
2. Yes. The DSD DAC can also play on PCM
3. Separate header for DSD I2S and PCM I2S, you properly can use the  USBSPDIF adapter for two dac...
作者: arrow    時間: 2011-11-30 Wed 09:55

Mdlover 兄,

加油!
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-30 Wed 11:15

引用:
原帖由 amhlee 於 2011-11-29 Tue 21:31 發表

唔須要找,自已做就可以,千多元,應該無甚麼對手....
Anthony hing
可否教教小的點做?
作者: Heman123    時間: 2011-11-30 Wed 11:18

2. Yes. The DSD DAC can also play on PCM

Anthony hing
係唔係可以代替現有的DAC?
作者: amhlee    時間: 2011-11-30 Wed 11:22

引用:
原帖由 Heman123 於 2011-11-30 Wed 11:18 發表
2. Yes. The DSD DAC can also play on PCM

Anthony hing
係唔係可以代替現有的DAC?
Yes...

Anthony hing
可否教教小的點做?
做好容易,聽完後就買料。我收到部 Prototype 後再通知你。

[ 本帖最後由 amhlee 於 2011-11-30 Wed 11:24 編輯 ]
作者: mdlover    時間: 2012-1-6 Fri 19:31

another player support our USB DSD playback.

HQPlayer






[ 本帖最後由 mdlover 於 2012-1-6 Fri 19:33 編輯 ]
作者: mdlover    時間: 2012-2-23 Thu 14:32

another DSD module singing now.
using "Permalloy" core output transformer.


作者: saa7350    時間: 2012-2-23 Thu 15:30

Permalloy合金是不是很贵?
作者: mdlover    時間: 2012-2-23 Thu 19:39

引用:
原帖由 saa7350 於 2012-2-23 Thu 15:30 發表
Permalloy合金是不是很贵?
yes, it cost more than usual transformer.

this is another output transformer called "FineMet", it's an amorphous core developed by Hitachi. they are even more expensive........
it is located in the upper left corner of the photo.




you can also see the DAC module is now shielded by mu-metal sheet. the user reported that it is 2dB more quiet with the shield.

I can't tell how they sound because this setup is in the USA.
作者: hercules    時間: 2012-3-9 Fri 23:14

Finally get a account here and lau ming here.

Using ESS9018 and WM8741, I tap both DAC with DSD out from eXD, surprisingly WM8741 is very outstanding!! but I have to set the dip switch every time switch between DSD and PCM.
作者: amhlee    時間: 2012-3-9 Fri 23:18

Which WM8741 DAC you are using at the moment ?
作者: hercules    時間: 2012-3-9 Fri 23:21

exD now have MPD support!! Just bought a fanless PC for ripping and playback purpose...


作者: hercules    時間: 2012-3-9 Fri 23:21     標題: 回復 93# amhlee 的帖子

Twistedpear Opus 2.0!
作者: amhlee    時間: 2012-3-9 Fri 23:23

我知啊。只是想知道你用邊個 WM8741?除了 Linn Kimax 外,其它的都聽不入耳。
作者: hercules    時間: 2012-3-9 Fri 23:27

用邊個 WM8741??

http://www.twistedpearaudio.com/digital/opus.aspx
作者: amhlee    時間: 2012-3-9 Fri 23:28

知啦....Thank you............
作者: hercules    時間: 2012-3-14 Wed 17:07

Mdlover:

I just ordered rhapsberry Pi model B, can eXD work with this Linux based palm computer?

http://www.raspberrypi.org/
作者: mdlover    時間: 2012-3-14 Wed 19:24

gee....i ordered a few too, will work on this later.




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